Processus contra Templarios

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Processus contra Templarios

Postby saluto » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:42 pm

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53938

The link above is an article about the vatican publishing a book on the suppression of the Knights Templar based on material from the vatican archives.If i have read it right there will be only 799 copies produced.
sounds pretty interesting!
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Postby Templario » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:17 pm

I want a copy! :o
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Postby Vortex » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:40 am

I wonder just how much has been censored by the Holy Sea, or tucked back away not to see the light of day that runs against some teachings or puts a "guilty" light on Rome.

It would be quite the work to have in a collection, but I'm going to say that this will probably be sold old fast, and well beyond my pay grade level.
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Postby 1119 Beau-seant 2007 » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:07 am

The Vatican is to publish a book which is expected to shed light on the demise of the Knights Templar, a Christian military order from the Middle Ages.

The book is based on a document known as the Chinon parchment, found in the Vatican Secret Archives six years ago after years of being incorrectly filed.

The document is a record of the heresy hearings of the Templars before Pope Clement V in the 14th Century.

The official who found the paper says it exonerates the knights entirely.

Prof Barbara Frale, who stumbled across the parchment by mistake, says that it lays bare the rituals and ceremonies over which the Templars were accused of heresy.

In the hearings before Clement V, the knights reportedly admitted spitting on the cross, denying Jesus and kissing the lower back of the man proposing them during initiation ceremonies.


"The Pope was obliged to ask for pardons from the knights - the document absolves them."
Prof Barbara Frale
Vatican Secret Archives official



However, many of the confessions were obtained under torture and knights later recanted or tried to claim that their initiation ceremony merely mimicked the humiliation the knights would suffer if they fell into the hands of the Muslim leader Saladin.

The leader of the order, Jacques de Moley, was one of those who confessed to heresy, but later recanted.

He was burned at the stake in Paris in 1314, the same year that the Pope dissolved the order.

However, according to Prof Frale, study of the document shows that the knights were not heretics as had been believed for 700 years.

In fact she says "the Pope was obliged to ask for pardons from the knights... the document we have found absolves them".

Details of the parchment will be published as part of Processus contra Templarios, a book that will be released by the Vatican's Secret Archive on 25 October.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7029513.stm
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Postby Templario » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:37 pm

I wonder just how much has been censored by the Holy Sea, or tucked back away not to see the light of day that runs against some teachings or puts a "guilty" light on Rome.


The texts of the different trials have been written by the Inquisition. So the testimonies have a long time ago been filtered from anything that could be damaging to the church anyway...
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Postby Vortex » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:51 pm

I wonder how many official letters to Rome, from family, individuals with consciences, or 3rd party sources were gathered up, kept and tucked away in some of those archives.

There has to be some info from the KT side of the coin or some rational leader pleading some case or for some individual still wrapped up in some of those documents.

I'm sure much got filtered, but there has to be official letters to Rome or ex Templars stating a case or reasoning for understanding somewhere in there.
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Postby Templario » Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:04 am

During the trial in 1310, 544 Templars rose to defend the Order. The text of this event is available. They complained about the torture and widely claimed that the brothers were innocent. The burning of 54 Templars near Paris quickly ended the illusion that the trial would turn around in their favor.

Among the contemporary people who defended the Templar were Dante, Villani and Boccaccio.
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Postby Highlander » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:20 am

Ah, you guys beat me to it :D

4-October-2007 -- Vatican Information Service

Vatican Secret Archives: "Processus contra Templarios"
VATICAN CITY, OCT 4, 2007 (VIS) - On October 25 in the Vatican's Old Synod Hall, the presentation will take place of the "Processus contra Templarios," a book published by the Vatican Secret Archives on the subject of the Knights Templar, the medieval military-religious order founded in Jerusalem in 1118 and suppressed by Pope Clement V (1305-1314).

According to a communique made public yesterday afternoon, the new volume is "a previously unpublished and exclusive edition of the complete acts of the original hearing against the Knights Templar." The book, unique of its kind, will have a print run "rigorously limited to 799 copies" and contains the "faithful reproduction of the original parchments conserved in the Vatican Secret Archives."

The project, the communique concludes, "is part of the series of 'Exemplaria Praetiosa,' ... the most elaborate and important publication yet undertaken by the Pontifical Archives."

The new volume will be presented by Archbishop Raffaele Farina S.D.B., archivist and librarian of Holy Roman Church; Bishop Sergio Pagano, prefect of the Vatican Secret Archives, and experts such as the historian Franco Cardini and the archaeologist and author Valerio Massimo Manfredi."
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Postby Highlander » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:06 am

If you can read it here is more info by Barbara Frale.

BARBARA FRALE, MA


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Publications
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Produzione ceramica e ambiente socioeconomico nella Gallese di XIV-XV secolo secolo, in Ceramiche di età medievale e moderna a Roma e nel Lazio, II Convegno di Studi dell’Università di Roma “La Sapienza”, a cura di Letizia Pani Ermini, Roma 1994, pp. 124-130.
La città sul fiume. Orte 1303-1363, in Patrimonium, collana di studi storici diretta da M. Miglio, Vecchiarelli editore, Manziana 1995.
Per un inquadramento storico. Immagini di potere, economia e committenza nella città di Orte tra fine Duecento e XIV secolo, in I Tesori di Orte, Atti della IX Giornata di Studio per la storia della Tuscia, a cura dell’Ente Ottava Medievale di Orte, Roma 1998, pp. 17-25.
L’ultima battaglia dei Templari. Dal codice ombra d’obbedienza militare alla costruzione del processo per eresia, in I libri di Viella, 25, Viella Libreria Editrice, Roma 2001.
Il papato e il processo ai Templari. L’inedita assoluzione di Chinon alla luce della diplomatica pontificia, in La corte dei papi, 12, collana diretta da A. Paravicini Bagliani, Viella Libreria Editrice, Roma 2003.
Chevaliers d’Outremer. Note di ricerca sugli esordi dell’ordine templare fra Occidente e Terrasanta, in EVKOSMIA. Studi miscellanei per il 75° di Vincenzo Poggi, S. I., a cura di V. Ruggieri e L. Pieralli, Rubettino Editore, Catanzaro 2003, pp. 257-274.
I Templari, Il Mulino editore, Bologna 2004.
The Chinon Chart. Papal absolution to last Templar Master Jacques de Molay, in «The Journal of Medieval History», 30 (april 2004), pp. 109-134.
Il processo dei Templari, in Monaci in armi. Gli ordini militari dal medioevo all’età moderna, a cura di F. Cardini, Catalogo della mostra presso Castel Sant’Angelo, Roma 2004, pp. 71-84.
Un Nuovo documento sul processo dei Templari, in Materiali inediti per una storia dei Templari nel Regno di Sicilia, Atti del III Convegno Nazionale dell’Associazione storica “Pavalon-Laboratorio di studi templari per le Province meridionali”, a cura di G. Giordano e C. Guzzo, Manduria 2002, pp. 49-58.
Consumismo del mistero: il trionfo dei Templari, in Reset. Un mese di idee, rivista di cultura generale contemporanea diretta da Giancarlo Bosetti, 88 (marzo-aprile 2005), pp. 65-67.
L’interrogatorio dei Templari nella provincia di Bernardo Gui: un’ipotesi per il frammento nel Registro Avignonese 305, (in corso di stampa).


Arrangements available in the Index Rooms of the Vatican Secret Archives
(only in Italian)

Archivio Concistoriale, Epistolae Regiae. Inventario analitico (Indice 1197).
Archivio Concistoriale, Processus Consistoriales. Completamento dell’inventario dattiloscritto (Indice 1045), (in preparazione).

http://asv.vatican.va/cercaen/index.php ... up=&page=2
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Postby 1119 Beau-seant 2007 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:33 am

I tried Babelfish to help with the translation. :wink:
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Postby Dashinvaine (GN) » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:36 am

Is there likely to be anything there that was missed by Michelet or Rayounard?
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Postby Templario » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:47 am

Is there likely to be anything there that was missed by Michelet or Rayounard?


I doubt it and I don't think there will be anything new brought out by the Vatican. Raynouard had access to the archives and drew his information from the Processus contra Templarios, which was published in its entirety by Michelet.
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Postby Highlander » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:15 am

Templario wrote:
Is there likely to be anything there that was missed by Michelet or Rayounard?


I doubt it and I don't think there will be anything new brought out by the Vatican. Raynouard had access to the archives and drew his information from the Processus contra Templarios, which was published in its entirety by Michelet.


I read somewhere that there is only 799 books to be published, and that makes me wonder why, what good is such a low number?
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Postby Templario » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:14 am

I read somewhere that there is only 799 books to be published, and that makes me wonder why, what good is such a low number?


They may go to large libraries in different parts of the world...

However I think the whole thing is a joke since it is based on Barbara Frale's research on the Chinon parchment:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/05/wvatican105.xml
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Postby Dashinvaine (GN) » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:30 am

Frale's idea is nothing new, as i understadnd it. Michelet in the 19th century also thought the Templars were guilty, but that it was all some sort of test that got out of hand. It seems Riley-Smith has come around to that view, recently too.

It's not a compelling theory as far as I'm concerned, even so.
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