Inquisitor Bernard Gui

[vilenin1917es]

Has somebody found some information refered to the possible role of the Inquisitor Bernard Gui in the process to the templars ?

Yes, is the same that appears in The name of the rose of Umberto Eco.

And if the answer is " yes ", what was his concrete activity?

I think Barbara Frale has made a book of this subject.

Somebody has read it ?

Jose M Reyes

[Dashinvaine (GN)]

Gui (or Guidonis) was around at the time, but he seems to have been more interested in stamping out remnants of Catharism, as well as hunting Waldensians. He was a warped genius who developed subtle and insidious methods of wearing down suspect heretics and tricking them into betraying themselves.

[Bauceant]

Gui (or Guidonis)He was a warped genius who developed subtle and insidious methods of wearing down suspect heretics and tricking them into betraying themselves.

Now you've got my curiosity up...so I'll have to go see if my books on the Inquisition have anything on him...

[Bauceant]

He sounds like the *delightful* gentlemen (and I use both terms facetiously), that wrote the "Malleus Maleficarum" (The Witch Hammer).

If there is any justice in the universe, then it is my devoute hope that Sprenger, Kramer *and* Gui enjoy their sojourn in the "Nether-realms" (hopefully in each other's lovely company).

[Templario]

He sounds like the *delightful* gentlemen (and I use both terms facetiously), that wrote the "Malleus Maleficarum" (The Witch Hammer).

Sprenger and Kramer definitely followed Bernard Gui's tracks since their book was published in 1486 and that it was used by the Inquisition as well...

[vilenin1917es]

I agree with the profile of the """"gentleman"""" but if you search in the net, you can find catholic organisations defending Gui that """""only"""""ordered the execution of 42 of his 900 victims...

I am still interested to be sure of the possible participation of Gui in the Templar process.

Jose M Reyes.

[Bauceant]

I agree with the profile of the """"gentleman"""" but if you search in the net, you can find catholic organisations defending Gui that """""only"""""ordered the execution of 42 of his 900 victims...

Jose M Reyes.

I realize that this would be the topic of a different thread, but I do have to wonder how Gui's career measures up to some of the other "Inquisitors" of note: Savonarola, Xemenes and Torquemada...


<ADDENDUM: And if I am not mistaken, didn't Templario already say that Gui wasn't directly involved with the prosecution of the Templars.. (they used a manual he had written...)? >

[Templario]

I agree with the profile of the """"gentleman"""" but if you search in the net, you can find catholic organisations defending Gui that """""only"""""ordered the execution of 42 of his 900 victims...

The sources I have seem to confirm that during his life as an Inquisitor, Bernard Gui sentenced 930 people not necessarily to death though).

And if I am not mistaken, didn't Templario already say that Gui wasn't directly involved with the prosecution of the Templars.. (they used a manual he had written...)?

If Bernard Gui had been involved in the trial of the Templars, there would be traces of his name in the proceedings.

By the way, I mentioned that he had written the "Manual of the Inquisitor" and that the procedures described in his book might have been used by the Inquisition during the questioning of the Templars. Although some of the methods may have been used (since he didn't invent all of them), I found that his actual book wasn't used since he finished it in 1323.

[Bauceant]

By the way, I mentioned that he had written the "Manual of the Inquisitor" and that the procedures described in his book might have been used by the Inquisition during the questioning of the Templars. Although some of the methods may have been used (since he didn't invent all of them), I found that his actual book wasn't used since he finished it in 1323.

Question: Was his the only manual of that kind during that time period, or where there other documents "in play" that might have been consulted?

[Dashinvaine (GN)]

I realize that this would be the topic of a different thread, but I do have to wonder how Gui's career measures up to some of the other "Inquisitors" of note: Savonarola, Xemenes and Torquemada...

Well, Savonarola seems to me to have been more interested in burning works of art than people, (which may make him worse as people are more easy to replace! ) Unlike most dominicans, however, he ended up being roasted himself! (His anti-materialism upset the Pope of the day)

[nsfilms]

Anyone for a dash of irony?

[Bauceant]

I realize that this would be the topic of a different thread, but I do have to wonder how Gui's career measures up to some of the other "Inquisitors" of note: Savonarola, Xemenes and Torquemada...

Well, Savonarola seems to me to have been more interested in burning works of art than people, (which may make him worse as people are more easily to replace! ) Unlike most dominicans, however, he ended up being roasted himself! (His anti-materialism upset the Pope of the day)

Indeed. Auto da Fe, anyone?

Seriously, his zeal cost the world priceless works of art, things that only live on in speculation (i.e. it's said that some of Sandro Botticelli's secular works ended up in one of Savolarola's bonfires... )

[Templario]

Question: Was his the only manual of that kind during that time period, or where there other documents "in play" that might have been consulted?

There was a previous manual called "De Inquisitione Hereticorum"; it had been written by a Franciscan, David of Augsburg.

[Bauceant]

Question: Was his the only manual of that kind during that time period, or where there other documents "in play" that might have been consulted?

There was a previous manual called "De Inquisitione Hereticorum"; it had been written by a Franciscan, David of Augsburg.

Ugh. Sounds like a lovely rainy day book... (and probably in Latin no less)

[Templario]

I can probably dig it out if you are interested!